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« on: July 25, 2008, 11:59:51 AM »

Is there any reason that class 8232 and 8058 must always/only be used together?

In Colorado, if there is a new building materials dealer with an office, and a yard, but no inside "store" facilities/operations, is 8058 applicable?  In this example, materials are ordered via phone, fax, and occasionally by a walk-in customer in the office, then yard employees would "pull" the order for the customer.

In my experience, operations such as these have always included at least a small sales floor (inside store) where hand tools or the like is kept and sold from the counter, making 8058 the easy choice.  In the example above, however, there is no sales floor/inside store operations, just an office (although it does have a counter) and a materials yard.

Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 01:26:42 PM »

Welcome TommyAudit Smiley

While the assignment of 8232 to a risk does not require code 8058 to be used also, it would be wise for the underwriter to keep it on the policy on an "if any" basis.  You never know when operations may change.

For the specific situation you've described, it sounds like no actual store exists: there is no space devoted to the display of merchandise, and employees do not stock merchandise, maintain inventory, price products, etc.  What you're describing sounds more like a order desk operation that we might typically find in a wholesale store where employees take customers' orders via phone, fax, or internet.  In your case, customers may actually enter the office and order merchandise through a window or over a counter, but they don't leave with any merchandise in hand after the order is paid for.

Unless the office employees conduct activities outside the confines of the office area, handle merchandise, make deliveries, etc. it sounds like you're correct in assigning them to code 8810.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 01:53:30 PM »

Per the PAAS WC Guide, only employees who perform exclusively clerical duties in areas that are physically separated from other operations may be assigned to code 8810A.  Work areas for employees assigned to 8810A must be free of inventory; products cannot be displayed for sale; and clerical employees cannot be situated where customers bring products to purchase from another area. 

Inside sales, check cashing businesses, artists, designers, proofreaders, newspaper/magazine editors, and internal auditors are all assignable to code 8810A.

PAAS also has an old but good Field Bulletin on Hardware Stores, Lumberyards, Building Material Dealers, and Home Improvement Stores (EB 09-92.16).  It doesn't address your question regarding 8810 vs. 8058 though.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 02:09:44 PM »

Thank you both!  You confirmed my initial thoughts on all accounts, and I agree about leaving 8058 on the policy for potential future use. 

Thanks again!
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 02:17:02 PM »

You're welcome - glad we could help  Wink
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